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. >> reporter: rice was accompanied by acting cia director michael morell who helped explain the flawed talking points rice repeated in talk show appearances days after the libya attack. in a statement rice said we certainly wish we had perfect information, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. >> she said what she believed was true and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: republicans aren't buying that. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. >> reporter: rice is also defending her own potential nomination as secretary of state. the white house says the focus on rice is about washington politics. >> people are more interested in talking points from a sunday show than they are about finding out what happened in benghazi. >> reporter: that attack now a front line for a political battle on capitol hill. brian mooar, nbc news, washington. >>> elsewhere, the tampa socialite caught up in the scandal involving david petraeus is going on the offensive. after two weeks of silence
. >> reporter: rice was accompanied by acting cia director michael morell who helped explain the flawed talking points rice repeated in talk show appearances days after the libya attack. in a statement rice said we certainly wish we had perfect information, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. >> she said what she believed was true and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: republicans aren't buying that. >> we...
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they say they later heard from the cia that he had quote, misspoken and the cia was, in fact, responsible. so what's going on here? cnn intelligence correspondent suzanne kelly has been working her sources. she's joining us now. suzanne, you just got a statement from the cia. what are they saying? >> reporter: actually, i've gotten this statement from an intelligence official who told me it was in fact the cia that made the changes which is more or less what the intelligence community has been saying from the beginning, that this was a collaborative effort within the intelligence community to get their language straight and that the reasons they were doing it had to do with, as you know, classified sources. i can read you what the u.s. intelligence official has just told me. there were literally just coming in on my phone. there were several valid intelligence and investigatory reasons why that was changed. the information linked to al qaeda was derived from classified sources and could not be corroborated at the unclassified level. it made sense to be cautious before naming the perpetrat
they say they later heard from the cia that he had quote, misspoken and the cia was, in fact, responsible. so what's going on here? cnn intelligence correspondent suzanne kelly has been working her sources. she's joining us now. suzanne, you just got a statement from the cia. what are they saying? >> reporter: actually, i've gotten this statement from an intelligence official who told me it was in fact the cia that made the changes which is more or less what the intelligence community has...
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. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understanding of how these meetings actually went today? we got a very little by way of actual reports on what went on there. you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of knowledge at the time, about secur
. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understanding of how these...
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are they saying she should have given the unclassified version of the report she was given by the cia? then that would have been criticized. >> you're unfit because you're imparting secrets. >> exactly. >> rice was able to win over someone, joe lieberman. take a listen. >> i would not feel that her appearances and anything she said on those sunday morning talk shows september 16th would disqualify her for appointment to any other office. >> leishman in the context, he's retiring, he's not going to be around to vote on this. but is he signaling for other democrats basically that she has a clear path if her name does come up for nomination? >> i think that's right. joe lieberman is conservative, a hawk, respected by some senators on foreign policy issues. there may be three republican senators who don't like her, another 97 who have votes, the house members who have been campaigning against her don't have votes. something chip said, it would be weird or odd for this process to be playing out if she is not going to be nominated as secretary of state. chip, it shows i think a real politic
are they saying she should have given the unclassified version of the report she was given by the cia? then that would have been criticized. >> you're unfit because you're imparting secrets. >> exactly. >> rice was able to win over someone, joe lieberman. take a listen. >> i would not feel that her appearances and anything she said on those sunday morning talk shows september 16th would disqualify her for appointment to any other office. >> leishman in the context,...
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ambassador and close friend simply told the truth as she was permitted to tell it, what the cia gave her to say and no more. for that he charges susan rice, in the words of the new york post, being fried. political fight fans on the tabloids relish this extreme combat what should be a good person's judgment? that's my question tonight. is susan rice now a surrogate for the president, someone to take the punishment when others above her pay grade should be answering the questions, or is she accountable for going on national television knowing she can't tell the whole truth because it's classified? let's begin with senator susan collins, republican of maine. i guess it's the toughest question in the world, senator, and that is, do you believe that susan rice, the u.n. ambassador, knowingly covered up a breach of national security? >> well, let me say this, chris, our purpose is to understand the security failure in benghazi. what the administration told the american public about it. and how we can learn lessons to keep our personnel safer in the future. so that's my interest and goal i
ambassador and close friend simply told the truth as she was permitted to tell it, what the cia gave her to say and no more. for that he charges susan rice, in the words of the new york post, being fried. political fight fans on the tabloids relish this extreme combat what should be a good person's judgment? that's my question tonight. is susan rice now a surrogate for the president, someone to take the punishment when others above her pay grade should be answering the questions, or is she...
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if she had gone ahead, sir, and said the cia -- and revealed al qaeda, right? the change in the script essentially, the talking points. don't say al qaeda, say extremists. if she had gone ahead and said i know some classified information, let's say al qaeda, wouldn't that have been even more devastating? wouldn't that have been a bigger problem? wouldn't they be after her for that today? >> well, the truth is always what should be told. the truth and the knowledge of the truth is what everybody should represent, regardless of the consequences of doing it. >> so i guess i don't hear the same calls for the head of someone. i don't hear the same frustration with the cia, which has said that they were the ones who wrote the talking points. i don't hear the same frustration even with the president who said the buck stops with him. i don't hear the same frustration with hillary clinton. will you, in fact -- or even general petraeus, now that this scandal has cost him -- another scandal has cost him his job. it all seems to be falling in the lap of the ambassador of t
if she had gone ahead, sir, and said the cia -- and revealed al qaeda, right? the change in the script essentially, the talking points. don't say al qaeda, say extremists. if she had gone ahead and said i know some classified information, let's say al qaeda, wouldn't that have been even more devastating? wouldn't that have been a bigger problem? wouldn't they be after her for that today? >> well, the truth is always what should be told. the truth and the knowledge of the truth is what...
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i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't say so publicly. had she reviewed that intelligence? did she affirm that to you or are you assuming that she had? >> she did review it. >> so, in other words, she knew better than what you're saying that she knew better? >> yes. that's one of the questions i have and one of the questions that i didn't feel i got a satisfactory answer to, which is if you knew that even though the classified version, obviously, had references to al qaeda in it being involved or individuals with ties to al qaeda involved in it, how could you not know when you go on every sunday show and not include that fact that it would le
i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't...
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now she also said that the cia and the cia has come out publicly and said that the cia took those classified points out about the al qaeda attack. so what ambassador rice was really left with was all this information about the spontaneous attack and nothing about those terrorist elements. let me read to you a little bit of what ambassador rice issued in a statement yesterday. she said we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community, the initial assessment upon which they were based, were uncorrect in one key respect, there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. while we concernly wish that we had perfect information just days off the terrorist attack, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. so certainly the senators are saying we have more questions than answers. but they're also saying, in a position such as secretary of state, which we all know that ambassador rice is the leading contender for at this point, given the vociferous defense by the white house, in a job such as secretary of state, you really have to ask the tough question
now she also said that the cia and the cia has come out publicly and said that the cia took those classified points out about the al qaeda attack. so what ambassador rice was really left with was all this information about the spontaneous attack and nothing about those terrorist elements. let me read to you a little bit of what ambassador rice issued in a statement yesterday. she said we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community, the initial assessment upon which...
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michael hirsh said the cia had their own facility there. if the cia was holding prisoners there, they would not want that story coming out? guest: that is right. it has been denied that there were libyan prisoners held at what is believed to be this cia facility or a safe house, but we do not know the truth and we may never know it. host: lloyd, a republican caller. caller: i think they should stop focusing on susan rice, and focus on why i voted the way i did -- was the president aware of requests for additional security? i cannot believe the president of the united states is not briefed on hot spots and why the request would not have made it. let's forget about susan rice. the way i voted the way i did is i do not believe the president was not aware of it. i believe the cover up takes place right there, and now because the president was reelected and i support him fully, he keeps saying focus on me, and that is what they should do, and if there is justice in the world there might be impeachment down the road -- down the road. guest: i did
michael hirsh said the cia had their own facility there. if the cia was holding prisoners there, they would not want that story coming out? guest: that is right. it has been denied that there were libyan prisoners held at what is believed to be this cia facility or a safe house, but we do not know the truth and we may never know it. host: lloyd, a republican caller. caller: i think they should stop focusing on susan rice, and focus on why i voted the way i did -- was the president aware of...
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. >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the forgiven to the american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong.forgive american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong. >> ambassador rice wasn't able to persuade -- >> good morning, mika. go ahead. i know. i'm tired. >> i'm tired. way too early. >> she was able to persuade senator joe lieberman. >> oh, good. is he still in the senate? >> he's retiring. >> okay. >> and won't be able to vote in a potential rice confirmation hearing. >> she said what she believed was true. and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said on those sunday morning shows. >> in a statement following her meetings, ambassador rice acknowledged her initial in-saysment was incorrect saying while we certainly wish that we had had perfect information just days after the terrorist attack as is on which the case, the intellig
. >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the forgiven to the american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong.forgive american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong. >> ambassador rice wasn't able to persuade -- >> good morning, mika. go ahead. i know. i'm tired. >> i'm tired. way too early. >> she was...
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he's been around the cia. he's now the acting director. all of a sudden, it's the u.n. ambassador's problem that she didn't put together the dossier that was going to be presented. this seems to really have united the democrats. if she is nominated to the secretary of state's position to follow hillary clinton s this a fight worth fighting? >> absolutely. if that's what the president wants, she's qualified. she's very intelligent. she's been a great u.n. ambassad ambassador. there's no reason not to fight for her. the theme of your show, democrats are showing some backbone. this is another thing. his plans cannot be hijacked by the the man he defeated in 2008, john mccain. this is too important. >> to show you how desperate john mccain is, here he is comparing benghazi to the bin laden raid? >> we knew within hours all the details when we got bin laden in the raid there. every one of them. they are making a movie out of it. here we are ten weeks later and finally our ambassador of the united nations who appeared on every national sunday show e has now said she gave fals
he's been around the cia. he's now the acting director. all of a sudden, it's the u.n. ambassador's problem that she didn't put together the dossier that was going to be presented. this seems to really have united the democrats. if she is nominated to the secretary of state's position to follow hillary clinton s this a fight worth fighting? >> absolutely. if that's what the president wants, she's qualified. she's very intelligent. she's been a great u.n. ambassad ambassador. there's no...
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it really looks like a cia listening station. the kind of security arrangements that were in place were inadequate but it wasn't an embassy. when you build an embassy, there's a formal process about the kinds of materials you use and the setback from the street and the kinds of security measures in place. benghazi, you know, didn't rise to that and as a sort of -- so, you know, there's sort of apples and oranges. but the fact is she's introduced a new line of criticism against ambassador rice. >> do you think it's relevant, peter -- do you think it's relevant the question that susan collins is now raising as part of, let's say the president did say, i want susan rice as my secretary of state, they have the process, they go before and the senators consider her, do you think it's legitimate, this issue that she's brought up now? >> well, a, it was 14 years ago. b, al qaeda unfortunately wasn't deemed to be a significant threat and, c, it's not even clear that she, you know, was in any way responsible for the lack of, you know, move
it really looks like a cia listening station. the kind of security arrangements that were in place were inadequate but it wasn't an embassy. when you build an embassy, there's a formal process about the kinds of materials you use and the setback from the street and the kinds of security measures in place. benghazi, you know, didn't rise to that and as a sort of -- so, you know, there's sort of apples and oranges. but the fact is she's introduced a new line of criticism against ambassador rice....
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and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely it was wrong. >> drunk driving -- >> oh, thank you, mike. for sharing that. so ambassador rice -- >> what was that? john heilemann, what did we just say? >> i made a mistake. >> what did we just say and how did they pull kelly ayotte into this trifecta after lieberman starts running for the doors because lieberman is now fine. >> they need a third amigo at all times. >> so -- >> now they have -- now two of the three are women -- now at least one of the three are women. look, they're trying to recover from the -- >> all right, so andrea mitchell, please tell us what you think is going on here. >> well, i certainly do think that there is a proxy fight going on here. i'm not exactly sure what the dynamic is but mccain and graham said they were backing off the ledge so she goes up there thinking it's going to be smoothed over a
and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely it was wrong. >> drunk driving -- >> oh, thank you, mike. for sharing that. so ambassador rice -- >> what was that? john heilemann, what did we just say? >> i made a mistake. >> what did we just...
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and of course david petraeus out at the cia. all these vacancies are happening when there's a lot of hot spots in the world bubbling up. >> there are, george. this is a critical time. the election may be over. but look ahead. you have iran, who is trying to acquire a nuclear weapon. you have north korea, there's satellite photos just out showing that north korea would like to try to test another long-range ballistic missile. and you have afghanistan. this is such a critical time in afghanistan. they're putting together drawdown plans. and what the u.s. does after 2014. >> the big decision there is how many troops to leave in right now. and then, how quickly to ramp down, going to 2014. >> how quickly. and general john allen who is under investigation because of the e-mails involved in the petraeus affair. >> martha raddatz, thanks very much. >>> we get the rest of the top headlines from josh. >> good morning. we're going to begin with the big ruling affecting big tobacco. a federal judge in washington has ordered the major cigar
and of course david petraeus out at the cia. all these vacancies are happening when there's a lot of hot spots in the world bubbling up. >> there are, george. this is a critical time. the election may be over. but look ahead. you have iran, who is trying to acquire a nuclear weapon. you have north korea, there's satellite photos just out showing that north korea would like to try to test another long-range ballistic missile. and you have afghanistan. this is such a critical time in...
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at 4:00 in the afternoon the cia acting director came back and said it was at cia after all. what explains that? >> this stuff is coming from the white house. they are hoping this will go away. i don't happen to be one of the senators she cares to talk about and maybe it's because while opposed to her from her position as ambassador of the united nations and nothing could change my mind on that. bill: based on that answer it appears you are willing to take that answer higher than susan rice with it comes to benghazi. >> this will go down as the biggest coverup in history. they all knew it. they are hoping to have it go beyond the election date which it did. but people are not going to forget it. the administration deliberately covered this and misrepresented what happened in benghazi threatened up in the both of four people. one of whom was a good friend of mine, ambassador stevens. bill: the biggest coverup in american history. >> yes, sir. bill: when senator lieberman came out yesterday afternoon --'s listed as an independent. but he seemed to take more of a sill sill tory
at 4:00 in the afternoon the cia acting director came back and said it was at cia after all. what explains that? >> this stuff is coming from the white house. they are hoping this will go away. i don't happen to be one of the senators she cares to talk about and maybe it's because while opposed to her from her position as ambassador of the united nations and nothing could change my mind on that. bill: based on that answer it appears you are willing to take that answer higher than susan...
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. >> a very candid discussion with the director of the cia. we are significantly troubled by many the answers we got. the evidence was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulates. whether ambassador rice was informed sufficiently is a correct depiction of the events that took place. but the intervention was incorrect when she said it was a spontaneous demonstration. it was not, and there was compelling evidence that the time that that was not the case, including statements by libyans as well as other americans. mortars and rocket-propelled grenades were not spontaneous demonstrations. >> i think it does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight, -- in real time [indiscernible] anybody looking at the threat in libya, it would jump out at you. i am disappointed in our intelligence community. with a little bit of inquiring and curiosity, and think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a disturbance that turned into a riot, at the end of the day, we are going to get to
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director who's going to be the next cia director. the president's going to have a full plate of nominations to put forward. what did he say about susan rice today? >> reporter: he was asked his thoughts on ambassador rice, currently the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i'll let you listen to his remarks then we can talk about it. this is the president. >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done. [ applause ] >> reporter: so from the whole cabinet. little awkward hard to tell if the applause were necessarily for susan rice or right before he said that he had also called out secretary napolitano and the veterans affairs department saying it's their birthday. perhaps they were also applauding the birthdays. but i'm told the fact that susan rice is up on the hill should not necessarily be read as an early sign that the white house is giving her sort of a prerun dry run for a nomination. at this is in part because she wanted to go answer questions on the hill to clear her name and that this was part of her desire
director who's going to be the next cia director. the president's going to have a full plate of nominations to put forward. what did he say about susan rice today? >> reporter: he was asked his thoughts on ambassador rice, currently the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i'll let you listen to his remarks then we can talk about it. this is the president. >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done. [ applause ] >> reporter: so from the whole cabinet....
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and the secretary of defense and the director of the cia potentially playing that political football game? that would be a huge problem if it were more than just politics. mr. 1: they play hard ball in washington on everything . and unfortunately for susan rice her charm offensive back fire wanted to make nice and made things worse and here is the problem for her going forward. if the administration places her name in confirmation. senators graham and ayotte would place holds on her name. senates have 53 democrats . coming up in january they will have 55 and they need 60. and they need five republicans g to get on board and that could be tough sleeding. >> b <> rian: it is it a almost a joke. mccain and graham and ayote and why are yoa acquiescing . they are flabber gasted after the meeting. we got nothing out of this and i have more questions than before and at 4:00 playing to your point with the cia placed a call and they came out and said acting director morell stated that the cia now says that it deleted the al-qaida references and not the f.b.i.. so they were unable to give a re
and the secretary of defense and the director of the cia potentially playing that political football game? that would be a huge problem if it were more than just politics. mr. 1: they play hard ball in washington on everything . and unfortunately for susan rice her charm offensive back fire wanted to make nice and made things worse and here is the problem for her going forward. if the administration places her name in confirmation. senators graham and ayotte would place holds on her name....
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then they call back later and say, forget that, it was us, it was the cia. >> it's like the keystone cops. in the wizard of oz goes the scarecrow goes like this. which way did it go. each pointing in another direction. whether it's the keystone cops and it's shear incompetence, or something else is going on here to me as an american it's not -- we don't even knotphao*eub was e f.b.i. wasn't on site for three weeks. megyn: great to see you. dick durbin will talk about income dave repbgsin differentials in this country. we'll talk about it. megyn: some are calling it the scariest prank ever but it also may be the funnist. however, in between the laughs and the gasps are horror there is a real question about whether this brazilian tv show crossed a legal line with its ghost in an elevator prank. watch. ♪ [screaming] [laughter] megyn: everyone here thinks it's funny, but the question is, is it legal? there could be potential liability here, and we will debate it in today's "kelly's court," i'm taking your tweets on it, follow me@megyn kelly in between now and the court. this one is not
then they call back later and say, forget that, it was us, it was the cia. >> it's like the keystone cops. in the wizard of oz goes the scarecrow goes like this. which way did it go. each pointing in another direction. whether it's the keystone cops and it's shear incompetence, or something else is going on here to me as an american it's not -- we don't even knotphao*eub was e f.b.i. wasn't on site for three weeks. megyn: great to see you. dick durbin will talk about income dave repbgsin...
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. >> reporter: tuesday rice acknowledged there was no protest in benghazi, but she blamed the cia, as she did last week. >> i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary. >> reporter: acting cia director mike morel accompanied rice tuesday, in effect her wing man, but it didn't help. >> i'm more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. >> reporter: both senator kelly ayotte and senator lindsey graham threatened to block rice's nomination. rice did persuade one senator. >> she said what she believed was true, and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: but joe lieberman is quitting the senate and won't have a vote rice and president obama are closer than he and the iconic hillary clinton. the president has made it clear he will fight for rice and tuesday the white house was not backing down. >> the focus on, some might say obsession on comments made on sunday shows, seems to me and to many to be misplaced. >
. >> reporter: tuesday rice acknowledged there was no protest in benghazi, but she blamed the cia, as she did last week. >> i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary. >> reporter: acting cia director mike morel accompanied rice tuesday, in effect her wing man, but it didn't help. >> i'm more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and...